Comments on: I like my tea full bodied: The Health Care Debate http://vbprogressives.com/2009/08/18/i-like-my-tea-full-bodied-the-health-care-debate/ National, State, and Local Politics Affecting Virginia Beach Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:41:36 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Eddie http://vbprogressives.com/2009/08/18/i-like-my-tea-full-bodied-the-health-care-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-107 Eddie Wed, 19 Aug 2009 02:50:32 +0000 http://vbprogressives.com/?p=925#comment-107 As well-intentioned as Obamacare proponents may be, there are some things that are assumed that simply shouldn't be. 1. There is no way we need to insure an additional 50 million people. Analysis of the proposals under consideration indicate that millions would be left uninsured anyway. And the number of people who should be considered for assistance is far less than 50 million. 2. There is the assumption that health care reform must include everyone, when a large majority of citizens see no need to change their own coverage. It's absurd to me to think we have to wreck the current system. 3. It's assumed that the profit motive is to blame for bad care and bad insurance. The profit motive is an incentive to excellence. Government care lacks this incentive and care suffers as a result. 4. Apparently, Obama and Co. assume that personal liberty doesn't matter, and given the opportunity, government should take every aspect of life under its direct control as much as possible. The American people are sick of over-regulation, socialism, nanny-state decrees, etc. The anger being expressed is widespread, real and justified. People don't want any more socialism. There's too much already. Thanks for a well-written article. The goals listed are worthy, but I don't see that much of it could be achieved under Obamacare. Unfortunately, it is a partisan political issue, because the proposed solution involves a unacceptable (to many) change to America's political system. I appreciate your thoughtful approach to this matter of health care. It's something that's not often strongly in evidence on either side of the issue. I disagree with the liberals' approach largely because I don't accept some of their premises, and I don't accept socialism. As well-intentioned as Obamacare proponents may be, there are some things that are assumed that simply shouldn’t be.

1. There is no way we need to insure an additional 50 million people. Analysis of the proposals under consideration indicate that millions would be left uninsured anyway. And the number of people who should be considered for assistance is far less than 50 million.

2. There is the assumption that health care reform must include everyone, when a large majority of citizens see no need to change their own coverage. It’s absurd to me to think we have to wreck the current system.

3. It’s assumed that the profit motive is to blame for bad care and bad insurance. The profit motive is an incentive to excellence. Government care lacks this incentive and care suffers as a result.

4. Apparently, Obama and Co. assume that personal liberty doesn’t matter, and given the opportunity, government should take every aspect of life under its direct control as much as possible. The American people are sick of over-regulation, socialism, nanny-state decrees, etc. The anger being expressed is widespread, real and justified. People don’t want any more socialism. There’s too much already.

Thanks for a well-written article. The goals listed are worthy, but I don’t see that much of it could be achieved under Obamacare. Unfortunately, it is a partisan political issue, because the proposed solution involves a unacceptable (to many) change to America’s political system.

I appreciate your thoughtful approach to this matter of health care. It’s something that’s not often strongly in evidence on either side of the issue. I disagree with the liberals’ approach largely because I don’t accept some of their premises, and I don’t accept socialism.

]]> By: Sweetgrass http://vbprogressives.com/2009/08/18/i-like-my-tea-full-bodied-the-health-care-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-106 Sweetgrass Wed, 19 Aug 2009 02:49:21 +0000 http://vbprogressives.com/?p=925#comment-106 It's always been very interesting that as advanced as the USA is economically, their health care system, in terms of accessibility, is, and has been, deplorable. I reside in Canada for one-half the year. I would consider the healthcare system to be good to excellent. Our taxes pay for accessibility to an MD for each and every citizen and landed immigrant. Hospital emergency rooms tend to be overcrowded and that's due to patients who take advantage and misuse the system. We currently appear to have no means to consider effective triage. Also, it's difficult getting in to see certain specialists (waits of three-six months not unusual) and in scheduling non-urgent but medically necessary operations. Nonetheless, everyone eventually gets seen and medical personnel are topnotch. I have also been involved in the medical system in Israel. Access is universal, physicians are excellent and it's efficiency is amazing. It's so good that I waited one year for my Maccabi provider to allow me full access and subsequently underwent an operation there. Hospital care was excellent. As an aside, Israeli nurses are certainly tough but there's no length they won't go to to relieve one's suffering. That's how I learned the meaning of "Sabra", prickly on the outside but tender on the inside. Aftercare was both attentive and effective. It’s always been very interesting that as advanced as the USA is economically, their health care system, in terms of accessibility, is, and has been, deplorable. I reside in Canada for one-half the year. I would consider the healthcare system to be good to excellent. Our taxes pay for accessibility to an MD for each and every citizen and landed immigrant. Hospital emergency rooms tend to be overcrowded and that’s due to patients who take advantage and misuse the system. We currently appear to have no means to consider effective triage. Also, it’s difficult getting in to see certain specialists (waits of three-six months not unusual) and in scheduling non-urgent but medically necessary operations. Nonetheless, everyone eventually gets seen and medical personnel are topnotch.

I have also been involved in the medical system in Israel. Access is universal, physicians are excellent and it’s efficiency is amazing. It’s so good that I waited one year for my Maccabi provider to allow me full access and subsequently underwent an operation there. Hospital care was excellent. As an aside, Israeli nurses are certainly tough but there’s no length they won’t go to to relieve one’s suffering. That’s how I learned the meaning of “Sabra”, prickly on the outside but tender on the inside. Aftercare was both attentive and effective.

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